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Old 26-03-2009, 00:06
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just bought my first boat

hello im Sam from Leics been after a small boat for a while but never been able to afford it, just browsing ebay last night i found something i thought was a good deal and very local too. bought it as a project but would be nice to get it on the water this summer so expect a few questions

im told (and it has name plates on the side) its a Fletcher Arrow 13 foot, thats all i know about it. all ive got is the hull and a few fittings like steering cables and throttle cables

trailer was included too, that will need one of the mudguard mounts re-building/welding which is no problem a coat of paint and a new pair of towers, a jockey wheel wouldnt go a miss either




the previous owner made a frame and fitted the seats which are out a bedfrd midi van



'LAND AHOY'

didnt come with an engine so ive now got the choice of make and power any ideas??? read somewhere a 25hp is about right?
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Old 26-03-2009, 09:06
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Re: just bought my first boat

Sam welcome aboard,

You'll need 35 - 40HP +, if you want some sort of thrill.


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Old 26-03-2009, 20:09
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Re: just bought my first boat

ahh right thanks time to get saving me thinks! i wouldnt mind taking it on a few canals would something alot less powerfull say 5hp be able to shift it along at 5mph or less?

only had an hour or so of light by the time id got home from work so went about moving it out of sight and giving it a scrub and summing up what i had and hadnt got




now sits by the pond



got throttle and 2 cables, only one of the cables move when i push/pull the lever



steering cable and 6 pulleys, no ends on the cable, no steering coloumn (although the seller said it might be in his shed) and no wheel, ive got a few nice old skool car wheels though that should do the trick



i was told its marine ply if its any different to normal ply but came up nice after a good scrub, IMO the seats look daft they stick a mile out the top and can imagine them being a nightmare when damp!

unfortunatly i have found a hole in the hull :( on one of the trailer bearers so ive got some fiberglassing todo. ive done a small ammount before so understand the principal but will i need anything stronger than car bodywork stuff?

thanks for any questions answered :D
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Old 27-03-2009, 20:13
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Re: just bought my first boat

Smallest thing I've put remotes on is a 9.9.

If you're serious about pottering up and down a canal, I still wouldn't put anything smaller than that on. You could always use a finer pitched prop if you needed to keep the revs up.

I would head for a four stroke, given the trend in emissions regulations. I would ditch the cable steering if you don't have all the parts, try looking in UK shops here>
http://www.pontoontalk.co.uk/funm.htm for some alternatives.
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Old 27-03-2009, 20:50
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Re: just bought my first boat

the link doesnt work for me??

my stepdad mentioned about a smaller engine like an old seagull to keep as a spare should the main motor ever fail, would something sub 5hp push the boat along at all? then id be looking at something around the 50hp mark for open water id like to use it on the sea in the future if its suitable for that?

on the steering side ive seen single cable systems on ebay would something like that be more apropriate?

thanks for your help, much apreciated :D
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Old 28-03-2009, 10:24
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the link doesnt work for me??? :D
At the bottom of this page click on the pontoontalk home page, the click on the button on the top LHS for Shops and fun, you 'll find some chandlers and superstores there. Should be a good place to start comparing single-cable systems.

Theres no range rover in the boating world. Whatever you do for one will compromise the other (inland/ Sea).

The 50 would be ample for the sea but its gonna be spending long periods close to idle on rivers and canals.

Most people with auxillary engines are spending far more hours aboard than you. Its a greater risk to them that a failure will occur, they may be far further away from the shore and help.

You need to get a measure as to whether you will need the added safety margin in relation to how it will affect your budget and the boats sea performance with all that extra weight.

An alternative would be buying a marine VHF, make a contribution to the RNLI and putting any surplus savings into buying a more reliable 50?

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Old 28-03-2009, 19:08
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Re: just bought my first boat

right oh thanks :D

today i popped down a local boat yard see if they had any old outboards lying around at which the chap asked long shaft or short shaft after explaining the differances and deciding my boat could be either or depending on spec/age he said measure the point at which the outboard monts to then the lowest part of the rear of the boat (am i correct in saying this is the transform.........anyway i got 20inch would anyone know if thats long or short shaft?? he said theres a fairly cheap yamaha 20 in longshaft format didnt meantion how cheap though as was selling it on behalf of someone else

i then popped down foxton locks ( a large staircase lock) and picked up an 'inland waterways handbook' looks a bit like a highway code but for canals

and this evning ive removed the throttle cable mechanism and given the casing and stick a fresh coat of gloss black, now then its an ultraflex one with 2 cables however only one cables moves :S should they both move??



http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MERCURY-ULTRAF...1%7C240%3A1318

the insides are identical to this one, should the other cable change the gears then?

also been looking at bits and bobs in B&Q to make a windshield

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Old 29-03-2009, 01:15
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Re: just bought my first boat

I would seriously question the idea of putting a 13ft speedboat in a narrow canal along with 60/70ft steel hull barges. Plus long is gone the days of just plopping a boat into an inland waterway. Nowadays you will need to get the boat passed for a Boat Safety Scheme Certificate (BSS Certificate ). Then you must purchase a license from the Environment Agency stating which waterways you intend to use, that is one licence for one waterway. Additionally you must have an engine of no more than 1hp per foot of boat on many waterways.
Conversely use your boat at sea and all you need is insurance (around about 100 for the year. No speed limits, in fact the only speed limit is dependant on how far forwards you can push the throttle lever. Steve is right you will fly with a 40/50hp outboard. Most boaters have a VHF radio certificate, but they also have the local coastguard number stored in their mobiles as backup.
I don't want to speek out of turn about your boat, but on ebay you can sometimes get a boat fitted with steering, engine and ready to go for 400 - 500 which is what you are going to look at for the engine alone with another 100 for steering setups.
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Old 29-03-2009, 10:26
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Re: just bought my first boat

ahh okay thanks for that didnt realise it was so complicated, bloody HSE lol

quite happy to spend a bit on a decent engine but it wont be for a while yet need to rid my garage of car engines (anyone after a 205 block pinto :P)

would the old pully steering system work with say 50hp as im watching a steering drum on ebay if not i reccon i could about fabricate something up ive got a few scrap cars i can nick a coloumn off or will it be better in the long run to just spend the money now on a single cable system?

thank you both for your help its much apreciated
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Old 29-03-2009, 16:57
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The pulley system is unsafe. No one's gonna promote you using that.

You cant trust steering a 50HP boat accurately at speed to a bunch of pulleys and a cable drum.

Worst case you, your mates could be injured and everything you will have built and repaired could be busted up and lost because of a false economy.

Better case is only the decent day of your summer is wrecked as you drift around aimlessly trying to get back to the slipway.
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Old 29-03-2009, 19:10
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Re: just bought my first boat

speant a few hours on my boat started off by giving the insides another clean and sprayed one gunnel(??) in black meerly just to smarten it up a little instead of multi-coloured fiberglass resin. I had thought about boarding it out but thats only goig to add weight

then decided i would get the boat off the trailer on my own all went pretty smoothly actually, used the tractor to hoist it up then chock it with mk1 fiesta wheels and chunks of wood this now frees the trailer up so i can give that a good clean down fresh paint tyres and maybe whinch along with a jockey wheel





as said earlier there is a small hole in the hull ive now discovered its because one of its previous owners instead of buying some new rollers when the originals wore out just bound the mounting post up with loft insulation and bubble wrap





now then??? will i need any special fiberglass for this or will car body work stuff do the trick??

last off anyone know what these 2 items might be?





at first i thought the piping must be a breather for something but closer inspection on the black bracket and it has a 'smiths' logo so i asume something else went on it to give a gauge on the dash a reading (speed??) and the tubing was just wor the signal feed wire?


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Old 29-03-2009, 21:38
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Re: just bought my first boat

Fiberglass boats built in the 60/70/80's were all made out of car repair type Polyurothane resin, epoxy resins came later in the 90's onwards. So the stuff out of Halfords should be OK. For holes you muat rub down and thoughly clean an area inside and out so that you lay glass on both sides making a sandwick. I would use some ali mesh to support and Davids P40 fibreglass filler to hold and support. You may find laying the boat more on it side will help to stop any sagging during drying.
The bits screwed on the transom are remnants of an old depth sounder transducer. No real use now so I would suggest taking them off and plugging the scew holes with the P40.

As for steering I would strongly suggest you chuck it and get one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-Rotary-Cab...2%7C240%3A1318

I consider washing line steering to be quite dangerous as I have only used it once before and the boat steered itself out of the water and ended half way up in a field.

Also from my experience do what needs to be done to make the boat safe and usable. Everything else can be done later while you enjoy using the project. Getting everything 'just so' before you get to use it is the main demise of many an unfinished project.
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Old 29-03-2009, 21:57
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Re: just bought my first boat

thanks :D nearly bought some of that aluminim mesh the other day thought it would be the best bet with some fiberglass, ill get that patched up in the week if get some more nice warm evnings

deffinetly going for a teleflex single cable system but not untill next paynay at least


and i know exactly what you mean about failed projects.....



my other project ive not touched for nearly a year now speant hours and hours on it and just fed up of getting nowhere, will no dout be sold to fund a decent outboard now
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Old 29-03-2009, 22:05
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Re: just bought my first boat

One last thing a couple of these things over the holes in the engine well is always a good idea:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boat-RIB-Dingh...2%7C240%3A1318
They help to hold the control cables and steering rod without letting too much water in.

As for failed projects its always the same. If you aren't enjoying it you loose interest!
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Old 29-03-2009, 22:08
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Re: just bought my first boat

it did come with a few of them but the rubber is a bit stiff and perished so ill no dout get some new ones before i take it to the water, also going to get a manual bilge pump to be on the safe side

i was enjoying the anglia but just want to get it on the road trouble is its still needs a fair bit spending on it and alot more work on it
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